Most Ukraine discussions are fruitless because the West is doing a sales job. The ignorant, easily sold, along with the war mongers and right wing zealots are stuck in their positions and will make all the claims about caring for humanity so they can get another profitable war. They do not give a shit about Ukrainians.

I believe you are missing most of my overall point also. I completely agree with you about Russia never winning. My father who was a historian always said that which actually makes my point that Putin ain't no Hitler and the war mongering psychopaths need to quit selling this war by making those claims.

What Putin does have is nuclear weapons, and the Russians have also shown they were willing to take losses in the millions during a conflict if pushed against a wall which is why the West should not push a potential nuclear war over Ukraine and peace should be sought. Those are my points.

Putin is a threat to his neighbors. So what? How is that our business? The United States has been waging wars all around the globe since the end of WWII. Capitalist white America has no high ground. I would say the United States is a bigger threat to world peace that Russia. Ask Victoria Nuland, Wolfowitz, W Bush, Biden and the rest of the war mongers. If Ukraine was not white European who would give a shit?

This is a proxy war between the United States and Russia about hegemony and money with Ukrainians paying most of the price. This war does not affect Americas who do not have bombs dropping in their laps. If Americans start being conscripted for this, there will be another American revolution.

To put things into perspective, the number of "civilians" killed in Ukraine is being reported at slightly over seven thousand. America has around 20k gun murders every year of mostly black American males and there seems to be little care about that among those willing to go to war in Ukraine over 7k white European deaths?

As for America winning WWII. That will have to be another discussion. Not true.